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izzie
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:36:38 PM

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Kathleen Vinehout: Dairy Farmer, College Professor, State Senator

Kathleen Vinehout, 53, came to politics relatively late in her career after spending 10 years running the family dairy farm and the 10 years before that teaching health administration to college students.

In her first run for public office, Kathleen was elected in 2006 to the state senate from a large, mostly rural district in the western part of the state. She was re-elected in 2010 and is serving her second four-year term.

In the senate, she has worked to make health care affordable, create health insurance exchanges for individuals, farmers and small businesses, bring more equity to school funding, keep consumer protection provisions in our telecommunication laws, and improve the efficiency of state government operations.

Prior to being elected to the Senate, Kathleen was the primary operator of the family’s dairy farm near Alma. She received many quality milk awards and was elected president of the Dairy Herd Improvement Association in Buffalo County. The farm is now certified organic and produces hay and grain.

Before she and her husband started their dairy farm, Kathleen directed both graduate and undergraduate programs in health administration at the University of Illinois at Springfield. For ten years she was a member of the faculty and taught in the Health Services Administration and Women’s Studies Programs. Her focus was state health policy, health care organization, the history of health care reform and health problems facing rural communities.

Kathleen has experienced health care from all sides. Her first job was as a nursing assistant. She has worked in staff and management roles in a variety of settings including a university medical center, primary care, acute care, home care and long term care. As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.

Kathleen is active in her community. She serves on the Mississippi River Regional Planning Commission and the Mississippi River Parkway Commission. She is a member of the Alma Chamber of Commerce and served on the boards of the Buffalo County Agricultural Fair Association and the Buffalo County Farm Bureau. She has been a member of the pastoral council of St. Lawrence Catholic Church, taught a weekly bible study class for eight years and is still a member of the church choir.

Kathleen is the eldest of five children. Both her parents served in the US Air Force. Her father was a member of the Laborer’s Union, her mother a registered nurse.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/front_page/article_ca41d828-1a91-5e06-ae6c-e0f65edc2faf.html

http://kathleenvinehout.org/





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joeythelovesponge
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:15:59 PM
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izzie wrote:
As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.


Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health makes her more appealing to the voters, which to me seems rather bizarre. Don't you find it strange that someone with her background in healthcare would take such a dangerous risk with her family's health?
izzie
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:02:55 PM

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joeythelovesponge wrote:
izzie wrote:
As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.

Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health makes her more appealing to the voters, which to me seems rather bizarre. Don't you find it strange that someone with her background in healthcare would take such a dangerous risk with her family's health?

I’ve heard so many bizarre and maddening stories about healthcare that nothing would really surprise me. Why don’t you ask her and report back to us rather than speculating. There’s a link to her website that must have a contact button. So, other than that you’d vote for her, right?

In a completely rational society, the best of us would be teachers and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. -Lee Iacocca
joeythelovesponge
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:36:37 PM
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izzie wrote:
joeythelovesponge wrote:
izzie wrote:
As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.

Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health makes her more appealing to the voters, which to me seems rather bizarre. Don't you find it strange that someone with her background in healthcare would take such a dangerous risk with her family's health?

I’ve heard so many bizarre and maddening stories about healthcare that nothing would really surprise me. Why don’t you ask her and report back to us rather than speculating. There’s a link to her website that must have a contact button. So, other than that you’d vote for her, right?


I don't care why she chose to be without health insurance, I just think it's weird she would include it on her brag sheet. Going without health insurance is not an accomplishment. Does it make her a more appealing candidate to you knowing that she went two years without purchasing health insurance?
izzie
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:14:09 PM

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joeythelovesponge wrote:
I don't care why she chose to be without health insurance, I just think it's weird she would include it on her brag sheet. Going without health insurance is not an accomplishment. Does it make her a more appealing candidate to you knowing that she went two years without purchasing health insurance?

Prior to posting right now, I went to Google and typed in "How many people in the US d" and before I could get another letter in Google finished the question for me: How many people in the US don't have health insurance? So, it's a fairly common question, don't you agree?

The answer is 46 million, so although it's quite possible that every one of them is some kind of loser with no personal responsibility, I suspect the 46,000,000 include a couple of honorable bootstrappers just like you . . . except for some reason they don't have health insurance.

I would actually be interested in the reason Vinehout went without it for two years. The answer might take me down a path I haven't traveled, and I always enjoy learning something new.

Edit: Sorry; I didn't answer your question. It doesn't make her more appealing. But it does tell me that she has a certain perspective on the subject I don't, never having gone without health insurance myself. If I were running for governor (don't get all excited - I'm not), and tweaking my bio (just imagine Newt Gingrich doing that with his army of spinners), I'd probably end up taking it out.

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beck
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:17:47 PM

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izzie wrote:
Kathleen Vinehout: Dairy Farmer, College Professor, State Senator

Kathleen Vinehout, 53, came to politics relatively late in her career after spending 10 years running the family dairy farm and the 10 years before that teaching health administration to college students.

In her first run for public office, Kathleen was elected in 2006 to the state senate from a large, mostly rural district in the western part of the state. She was re-elected in 2010 and is serving her second four-year term.

In the senate, she has worked to make health care affordable, create health insurance exchanges for individuals, farmers and small businesses, bring more equity to school funding, keep consumer protection provisions in our telecommunication laws, and improve the efficiency of state government operations.

Prior to being elected to the Senate, Kathleen was the primary operator of the family’s dairy farm near Alma. She received many quality milk awards and was elected president of the Dairy Herd Improvement Association in Buffalo County. The farm is now certified organic and produces hay and grain.

Before she and her husband started their dairy farm, Kathleen directed both graduate and undergraduate programs in health administration at the University of Illinois at Springfield. For ten years she was a member of the faculty and taught in the Health Services Administration and Women’s Studies Programs. Her focus was state health policy, health care organization, the history of health care reform and health problems facing rural communities.

Kathleen has experienced health care from all sides. Her first job was as a nursing assistant. She has worked in staff and management roles in a variety of settings including a university medical center, primary care, acute care, home care and long term care. As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.

Kathleen is active in her community. She serves on the Mississippi River Regional Planning Commission and the Mississippi River Parkway Commission. She is a member of the Alma Chamber of Commerce and served on the boards of the Buffalo County Agricultural Fair Association and the Buffalo County Farm Bureau. She has been a member of the pastoral council of St. Lawrence Catholic Church, taught a weekly bible study class for eight years and is still a member of the church choir.

Kathleen is the eldest of five children. Both her parents served in the US Air Force. Her father was a member of the Laborer’s Union, her mother a registered nurse.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/front_page/article_ca41d828-1a91-5e06-ae6c-e0f65edc2faf.html

http://kathleenvinehout.org/





Be careful what you wish for old man, this crazy broad is pro life, I don't know how that will sit with your pro abortion views.

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izzie
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:24:51 PM

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beck wrote:
Be careful what you wish for old man, this crazy broad is pro life, I don't know how that will sit with your pro abortion views.

Could be, but I bet she'd be a lot more successful - read "moderate" - in the promotion of her views on the subject than you are. For instance, she's probably not for taking the doctors out and shooting them.

In a completely rational society, the best of us would be teachers and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. -Lee Iacocca
Tine
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:21:11 PM

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joeythelovesponge wrote:


Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health


How do you insure your family's health? I mean, outside of feeding them good food, making sure they get exercise and aren't exposed to dangerous things and such. Even if you do everything right, stuff goes wrong sometimes.

Health insurance has nothing to do with insuring health. It just pays for some part of the services of doctors and hospitals and medications and such.

Get off the teat?! We are the teat.
Jrock
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:21:07 PM

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beck wrote:


Be careful what you wish for old man, this crazy broad is pro life, I don't know how that will sit with your pro abortion views.


Good thing that abortion isn't legislated at the state level, and any Gov or potential Gov's views are irrelevant on the subject.

"...living in the sprawl. Big shopping malls rise like mountains, neon mountains. And there's no end in sight, I need the darkness someone please cut the lights." 'Sprawl II (Mountains) Arcade Fire
izzie
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:54:12 PM

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Jrock wrote:
Good thing that abortion isn't legislated at the state level, and any Gov or potential Gov's views are irrelevant on the subject.

Irrelevant to people like yourself, maybe. Some nutcase groups make their candidates sign pledges. It's not so much about potential legislation as it is the assurance that they're of your kind. They call it a litmus test. Your beliefs have a ph, and if it comes up the wrong color you're outa there.
In her first run for office Vinehout wouldn't sign the pledge, so she lost the anti-abortion vote but won the election anyway. She's a Democrat so it's not a huge issue as it would be for a Republican. Keeps those wingers guessing with those eight years of leading a Bible study. That's a long time.
One small thing this does prove is that Democrats are a lot more accepting of of divergent views than Republicans are. But then, being a Democrat, I think that's a good thing.

In a completely rational society, the best of us would be teachers and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. -Lee Iacocca
Nancy
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:39:10 PM

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joeythelovesponge wrote:
izzie wrote:
As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.


Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health makes her more appealing to the voters, which to me seems rather bizarre. Don't you find it strange that someone with her background in healthcare would take such a dangerous risk with her family's health?


Isn't it great that once the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented, people won't have to choose between staying in safe jobs just for the health insurance and building their own businesses. Farm families like hers will be able to buy insurance through an exchange at a cost they can afford as they build the business and increase their income.

Hitchens’ Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
joeythelovesponge
Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:32:59 PM
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Nancy wrote:
joeythelovesponge wrote:
izzie wrote:
As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.


Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health makes her more appealing to the voters, which to me seems rather bizarre. Don't you find it strange that someone with her background in healthcare would take such a dangerous risk with her family's health?


Isn't it great that once the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented, people won't have to choose between staying in safe jobs just for the health insurance and building their own businesses. Farm families like hers will be able to buy insurance through an exchange at a cost they can afford as they build the business and increase their income.


Since you're the expert, tell us how much money these exchanges will save a farm family per month on the cost of their health insurance.
Nancy
Posted: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:30:02 AM

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joeythelovesponge wrote:
Nancy wrote:
joeythelovesponge wrote:
izzie wrote:
As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.


Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health makes her more appealing to the voters, which to me seems rather bizarre. Don't you find it strange that someone with her background in healthcare would take such a dangerous risk with her family's health?


Isn't it great that once the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented, people won't have to choose between staying in safe jobs just for the health insurance and building their own businesses. Farm families like hers will be able to buy insurance through an exchange at a cost they can afford as they build the business and increase their income.


Since you're the expert, tell us how much money these exchanges will save a farm family per month on the cost of their health insurance.


It will depend on the size of the family, its income and the plan they choose. Exchanges have to offer three levels of coverage. The healthcare law provides a government subsidy for premiums for low income families. Someone who decides to start a business, as Ms. Vinehout did, will be able to buy insurance at low rates while growing the business. They might start in a Medicaid expansion program, shift to a subsidized commercial plan and finally assume the full cost of premiums once the business is producing high enough income. The figure would be 400% of FPL. There will be a non-profit option within each exchange that might offer the best value, though commercial insurers might match their premiums in order to make their own products more attractive.

This is the resource I use to understand the plan. I've posted it before. http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8061.pdf

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Jrock
Posted: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:35:26 PM

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izzie wrote:
Jrock wrote:
Good thing that abortion isn't legislated at the state level, and any Gov or potential Gov's views are irrelevant on the subject.

Irrelevant to people like yourself, maybe. Some nutcase groups make their candidates sign pledges. It's not so much about potential legislation as it is the assurance that they're of your kind. They call it a litmus test. Your beliefs have a ph, and if it comes up the wrong color you're outa there.
In her first run for office Vinehout wouldn't sign the pledge, so she lost the anti-abortion vote but won the election anyway. She's a Democrat so it's not a huge issue as it would be for a Republican. Keeps those wingers guessing with those eight years of leading a Bible study. That's a long time.
One small thing this does prove is that Democrats are a lot more accepting of of divergent views than Republicans are. But then, being a Democrat, I think that's a good thing.


Obviously it's relevant to me, I would not vote for a pro-Life candidate, ever. But I appreciate someone who can have two divergent points of view, though, thats the usually flip-floppy kind of person who goes where the sun is shining.

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joeythelovesponge
Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:13:25 AM
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Nancy wrote:
joeythelovesponge wrote:
izzie wrote:
As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.


Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health makes her more appealing to the voters, which to me seems rather bizarre. Don't you find it strange that someone with her background in healthcare would take such a dangerous risk with her family's health?


Isn't it great that once the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented, people won't have to choose between staying in safe jobs just for the health insurance and building their own businesses. Farm families like hers will be able to buy insurance through an exchange at a cost they can afford as they build the business and increase their income.


Yeah but, what's the real difference between the two? If the current cost of health insurance is preventing you from starting your business, and the exchanges will unchain you from your safe job so you can start your business, I'd like to know how much money that is. Is it $100 cheaper? $500? $1,000? Can you narrow it down a little bit? You see, I don't really believe the cost saving, if any, is going to be enough to make a difference in whether or not someone starts their own business. Even the esteemed Sen. Vinehout didn't let the cost of her health insurance stop her from starting her business. I think anyone who says the cost of health insurance is chaining them to their safe job is just making excuses for not living their dreams.
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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:17:09 AM

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joeythelovesponge wrote:

I think anyone who says the cost of health insurance is chaining them to their safe job is just making excuses for not living their dreams.


Considering the chances of failure, I think it's more than just an excuse. Your trivialization of the matter doesn't help your argument.

In my group of friends, the entrepreneurs either started very young (18-25) or they were already "chained" to a partner with a full-time job.

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rubber wrote:
joeythelovesponge wrote:

I think anyone who says the cost of health insurance is chaining them to their safe job is just making excuses for not living their dreams.


Considering the chances of failure, I think it's more than just an excuse. Your trivialization of the matter doesn't help your argument.

In my group of friends, the entrepreneurs either started very young (18-25) or they were already "chained" to a partner with a full-time job.



Don't forget the group of folks who inherit businesses. Small business owners in general tend to be conservative as they see very clearly how much they lose to taxation as they are on tight budgets.

TT
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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:13:20 PM

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I think anyone who says the cost of health insurance is chaining them to their safe job is just making excuses for not living their dreams.


My experience has been that a pre-existing condition limitation has probably played a larger role than premiums. Group insurance is an entirely different beast than individual coverage.

As long as we're on the subject - why do we continue to cling to the notion that health insurance coverage has to be tied to an employee/employer relationship. It would seem to me that if you made millions of consumers the ultimate arbiter of the type of coverage they choose to pay-for that competition might work to their advantage, no?

Edit to add - More at Gas pains

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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:05:37 PM

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Gas Pains wrote:

As long as we're on the subject - why do we continue to cling to the notion that health insurance coverage has to be tied to an employee/employer relationship. It would seem to me that if you made millions of consumers the ultimate arbiter of the type of coverage they choose to pay-for that competition might work to their advantage, no?

Edit to add - More at Gas pains


You're right. It makes no sense to tie it to the employee/employer relationship.

Or tie it to whether we have a spouse or a parent with an employee/employer relationship.

That approach only makes sense as a way to subsidize desired social ends (marriage, population replacement, and employment, especially employment by a large corporation that forms a big enough group for economies of scale and risk sharing).

And as many have said, the notion of using insurance to pay for regular, recurring events instead of rare or unusual ones is pretty goofy. What would your homeowner's insurance go for if it covered painting, the cost of heating the house, and suchlike stuff?



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Nancy
Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:18:34 PM

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joeythelovesponge wrote:
Nancy wrote:
joeythelovesponge wrote:
izzie wrote:
As a farmer she and her family spent nearly two years without health insurance.


Apparently, she thinks opting out of her responsibility to insure her family's health makes her more appealing to the voters, which to me seems rather bizarre. Don't you find it strange that someone with her background in healthcare would take such a dangerous risk with her family's health?


Isn't it great that once the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented, people won't have to choose between staying in safe jobs just for the health insurance and building their own businesses. Farm families like hers will be able to buy insurance through an exchange at a cost they can afford as they build the business and increase their income.


Yeah but, what's the real difference between the two? If the current cost of health insurance is preventing you from starting your business, and the exchanges will unchain you from your safe job so you can start your business, I'd like to know how much money that is. Is it $100 cheaper? $500? $1,000? Can you narrow it down a little bit? You see, I don't really believe the cost saving, if any, is going to be enough to make a difference in whether or not someone starts their own business. Even the esteemed Sen. Vinehout didn't let the cost of her health insurance stop her from starting her business. I think anyone who says the cost of health insurance is chaining them to their safe job is just making excuses for not living their dreams.


And yet you were critical of her for having left a safe job to start a business, thereby leaving her family uninsured.

The intent of the law (Edit: I should have said "the intent of this portion of the law" ) is to lower the cost of premiums for people making less than 400% of FPL on a sliding scale depending on income and size of family. The law requires four levels of plans in the exchanges with the least expensive covering 60% of costs and the most expensive covering 90%. There are also out of pocket limits equivalent to the HSA limits. Premium credits and cost sharing assistance will be based on the plan that covers 70% of benefits.

Individuals or families below 250% of FPL will also get assistance with co-pays and deductibles, effectively increasing the value of the insurance plan.

A family of four making 200% of FPL ($44,700 for 2011) would pay 6.3% of income or $234.68 a month for coverage. The difference between the cost of coverage and the premium allowed by law would be paid to insurance companies as a tax credit. Given that the average family plan in Wisconsin is over $1,000 a month, that would represent considerable savings.

I posted a link to a summary of the plan. If you have any more questions, I suggest you look up the answers yourself.

Here's another link explaining how the premium credits and cost sharing will work.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3190

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